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and with this I think we are right on
spot with the announcement of uh the
talk that we're listening today from
Marie De Pari is about do we need tala
or does tala need us and without further
Ado I give the stage to
[Applause]
you thank you all aloha
I my name is
Mari and um I'm a usual suspect around
here in
CCC grass
events but I had not expected to be on
stage to talk about some Financial
technology not really was it years ago I
was having a
swim watch out it's dangerous to have a
swim around here
and I someone some friend talked to me
about
Tyler and I thought it was
interesting and
exciting and we talked for number of
minutes 45 minutes
probably but I had really I thought the
ambition was way out of our Realms to me
there was no chance it would possibly
one day come to
reality 8 years later t is about to
become available in real
world and that's why I'm
here so what is tler Tyler is a unique
digital payment solution that preserves
full anonymity of the payer while
tracing any
income thus hindering tax evasion money
laundering and other Shady
activities G taller
because G because it's a g package G is
not just an uh uh acronym um at the
origins of free
software it's also very live um thing
ongoing uh it's about to turn 40
Evergreen there's going to be an event
in the be on the 27th of
September and um and it's still very
live anyway so since it's free software
it cannot lead to any
Monopoly it's stable
interrup and basically gluten Toler is
not a product it's a software
protocol it is though a payment solution
and thereby in competition with very
friendly cute small things like Visa
Google
pay
not totally
yeah huge giant
macons that's what we're in competition
with so this is going to be exciting but
it's not going to be
easy
so a lot of you have heard about
caler but uh some still think it's a
some kind of crypto thing yes it's
hybrid
cryptography no it's not a currency it's
only a vehicle a mean of
payment has no value to itself and
crypto coin Tyler crypto coins can
represent any sort of existing currency
Kudos Euros boo coins Swiss Franks um
that's
spond name it whatever currency exists
can be um traded toar but tler to itself
has no value it's not a
currency it's um cryptographic design is
based on blind
signature and it's no blockchain but a
cryptographic design that allows fraud
prooof spending without any verification
of
identity that means there is a central
database but within that there are only
keys and nothing linkable to any
identity so not only no identity theft
but also no control from whoever would
want to use the overreach possible or
possible
overr so technically it's been um
exposed here a number of times um it's
no later than this afternoon um it's
with there was a workshop on offline
payments um we will have a workshop on
how to set up an instance um at the Tea
House on uh
Wednesday and there are available number
of talks about the all the technical
features in details so I'm not here to
talk about this I'm here to talk about
the fact that it's about the that the
availability and what it
means means real world
availability um because it's it will be
available in Swiss
Franks sometimes in in within the Six
coming
months in so
two unconventional swis deployments the
Swiss authorities have swiss
sandbox um Sy system that allows us to
operate for this sandbox condition um
and will make payments a in Swiss Franks
available sometimes within those 6
months before that within a few months a
local currency of Switzerland local
currency of Basel will be implementing
tler as their payment system so these
local currencies this local currencies
they they're members had refused any um
offline solution um I sorry online
solution digital solution then they were
relatively reluctant to any of these
modern time
eras modern
tools but they have heard of Toler and
came to get to get us to um have an
online digital payment solution so
that's netbond it's the local currency
of Basel which is a sort of center of
the financial World
interestingly it will be the hippies of
basle that will be implementing tler the
first or using it the first that's one
the Swiss and and the Swiss frank
deployment sometimes in the next in the
next coming months will only allow
payments in swis franks but will be an
occasion to um test all possible
implementation and it's the first Niche
but real world
deployment so and that it will be a
Prelude to deployment on the Euro Zone
in end of 20 beginning of 20
2025 so in about a little over a year um
on the Euro Zone and possibly in hungar
Hungarian foreigns also
simultaneously that means that by then
we need to be ready because that's when
it will will be available but in order
for it to be um used we need to convert
as many vendors as we can and also
buyers but that will be more easy if we
have
vendors because if it be if it becomes
widely
used I and and that's why I'm on this
stage I do you guys girls realize what
this means this means that we could have
free software in the hands of usual
people for daily use and there thereby
demonstrating how efficient and easily
used free software can be this also
means that daily use in a crucial and
critical um uh
setting will also be a demonstration
that free software can be the best for
um highly um secure both
highly security needing um um
operations that means we could possibly
once that's adopted it'll be easy to
demand free software in critical
infrastructure because as for today we
still have politicians that are in law
Commissions in our some of our countries
arguing that oh no the that algorithm
can't be public for security reasons
we need to stop that kind of reasoning
we need to make it obviously stupid and
having toddler deployed as a payment
solution could allow that would be a
great demonstration that free software
in critical infrastructure is the only
possible
solution but so in order for it to to be
adopted uh we need you this community to
be implementing all we can and creative
about thinking of new business models
because one thing I haven't said is tler
we have all reasons to believe not only
because it has always been designed and
conceived that way but also because all
the observational tests we've made lead
us to believe it will be the cheapest um
to a solution to operate for for
vendors it has um been tested ed in high
level um conditions not in real world
obviously because hasn't been deployed
in real world but from all we've seen we
beat all the um existing Solutions at um
uh efficiency
and that means not only ecologically we
have lower impact it also means we're a
lot cheaper to operate and thereby we
will offer we will open way for micro
payments real micro payments without
being in the hands of giant corporations
because and micro payments under the
Euro without extra fees or needing
volumes and that lead opens way to new
business models some of which we have
thought of in investigative journalism
or
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um what else where my
notes
I know the ones I have thought of it's
content music and that's underway but
not yet hasn't started to take shape but
I won't I I was hadn't planned to talk
about it but um that's what got me off
track anyway there are many um many
other things um that these micro pains
oh yeah it was too obvious that's what I
forgot
donations donations for all our um uh
free software program s or
Solutions it's cheap donations and micro
payments might be a way to um
yeah invite contributors to pay a lot
more than they usually do um
contributors not the I mean users not
the one who contribute to the code we
don't want them to play anyway
um
we I think this community needs toddler
to be a success and there's no way
toddler can be a success success without
this
community it would lead to um I
mean it would mean that we would um be
living and
sharing privacy for the people
transparency for the
powerful join
us there there will be there is uh
already um
tler https
dot.net
soon is coming soon a page where you can
contribute or find ways to contri of
course there's all the usual um
translations
regionalization but mainly
implementation oh and there is funding
available through nlnet for the
implementation if you you have any ideas
please um write us write them and they
have already funded um modules of Toler
and they'll be happy to
continue and I mostly wanted to answer
your
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questions thank you very much and uh we
have plenty of time for questions so uh
please go ahead and raise your
hands this one works thanks for the talk
um gut as you presented it uh fixes like
the transport layer but it doesn't fix
the shitty money so uh you mentioned
that you can issue whatever you want uh
wait wait wait I
can we can only do what we
[Laughter]
can hey if you want to trade boo coins
with Tyler you can I can't do anything
about
that but um yes money is or or shity
money or the economics is has a lot of
questions that Tyler only
fixes one dimension of uh digital
payments so how can we use it can I
download an app and stuff is fine or
there's a workshop on how to set up your
instance first first off um everything's
online I'm sure every the manual to set
up your own instance is online but there
will also be a workshop at the Tea House
I think on Wednesday or the 7th
of Thursday at 5 6 no 4 Thursday at 4: a
workshop to have to set up your your own
instance
okay uh what will be the user experience
for the one that proceed the payment
like do they have to uh create an
account or do they have to download an
app or they can just uh use their bank
or credit card to use toer or well
um their credit card it would
be weird there's no I wouldn't see no do
you withdraw you have an app on your
phone or on any device or you and on
upcoming um uh wallets you withdraw from
a bank account because if it's a the
currency if it's a a legal usual um
currency then there is a bank of the
commercial bank system and then so you
withdraw from your bank account to your
wallet and you pay without
direct you could do is Apple pay I think
it it doesn't itself connect no you
withdraw okay you withdraw into your
wallet and
then hello yeah okay so I'm following
Gala now for a couple of years without
fully understanding how it works
actually and um it caught my attention
when I saw the first publication where
sha was David Sha was on it so so I
thought okay maybe it's some followup to
digit cash but um the rights were sold
so that's why I'm here actually to see
that Shia developed digit cash in the in
the in the middle of the '90s but then
sold the whole company so the whole
company was lost and there was a talk um
I think that was 1998 also at a CCC
where sham presented the DT cash idea so
now my question is is Shia now actually
involved in the project um because he
was always reluctant to come into the
community or um so um yeah so that's the
first question the second question would
be is there only the workshop or are
there other um uh bits and pieces of
presentations which might be good to
follow up um until we come to the
workshop um the workshop is on setting
up the
instance I have um we will be discussing
tler every day at 3: and uh under the
house of tea Under the Tent of the House
of tea because there are many dimensions
to it and many things we are happy to
discuss but
collectively um and so the first sorry
the first question was on David sha and
he is the Toler is um based on some of
the ideas of uh digital C
but he's not in the project in any way
uh
implicated that's for David sh and there
will be uh a talk so there will be
another talk on uh on cbdc um Thursday
here at 9: but that's not on uh tler as
such and so on the technology no there
are a lot not won't be specifically
discussed just in another talk
here there will be and so that Workshop
the legislation on the there's a coming
up upcoming legislation uh Euro digital
Euro and that will be discussed to
tomorrow at 4 I think it is tomorrow um
by Thomas
Luna here in um and you're welcome but
um as for the technicalities there are
many talks online for in the CCC space
media
space yeah okay uh so we uh but oh I'm
sorry if and if you have questions for
uh technical questions during those
talks Under the Tent um the founders
will be in the area and easy to you find
if you have questions for them
yeah M make it super quick uh you me you
mentioned the Privacy for the
person who pay and full transparency for
the receiver is it really like full
transparency or is it some kind of
selective disclosure because you know
like sometimes activities may be illegal
in some countries for weird or even bad
reasons um and you are kind of creating
a financial system if I understand that
has like full transparency on the
receiver side is it the case or is it
selective
disclosure
um good question your
honor I'm sure it has an answer but I'm
I wouldn't have it yeah come under the
tent so very briefly as a reality check
tomorrow at 5:30 here we'll have a talk
about digital Euro and law that the
European Union has proposed in June of
this year and so digital currencies are
coming to the EU and we'll Analyze This
law together together with other
horrible and good legislation from the
EU tomorrow at 5:30
here okay we're uh pretty much out of
time uh I give you 10 seconds to ask
your question with that microphone
delivered
quickly thank you um what does it mean
that it's now introduced in the in
Switzerland how is it now introduced in
Switzerland is it a state thing or is it
like a
bank that's why it's the um the
sandbox uh deployment will be rather
unconventional because tler will then
they I mean the company we had to create
in order to operate will be um operating
as a bank with a uh a limit 1 million
Swiss Franks limit to
deposits and hopefully by the time we
approach that limit it'll be taken over
by real bank but is in the in the
framework of a Swiss a
Sandbox that the Swiss authorities have
um created and they have up to the now
answered that um Tyler would fit in and
does apply comply with the sandbox
condition can apply to the
program okay Marie thank you very much
for your
presentation
thank you
all