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okay very good ah thanks so much for
joining me um this has been a very very
crazy adventure uh for me I wanted to uh
yeah just really thank you guys and um
yeah so happy to share with you a
project that I've been working on
for months and months and months and
it's been crazy and I've been thinking
about which places would be the best to
show this work and this is the best
place this is a place that's very close
to my heart um I love CCC so much I've
been coming to events for a very very
long time so uh yeah well anyway let me
start and introduce myself my name is
Scott bin I live in the Untied snakes
um and uh I'm an inventor an
artist uh activist um silly person maker
of things I do too way too many things
uh like a lot of you guys here I'm
pretty sure um and uh yeah let's see I
wanted to start by um also saying that
I'm now officially an analog
astronaut what in the world is an anog
astronaut you might ask
well uh there are all these training
facilities that are all over the world
um where people are I guess training for
settlement in uh in space eventually um
usually at these training centers you'll
have scientists
astronauts Engineers students and other
types of enthusiasts or space
enthusiasts
uh show up and there's this one
place that has been uh it's it's been
around for 20 years it's in the high
desert in Utah and it's called the Mars
desert research
station and so I was lucky enough as
well as my partner Liz Cole who's around
here somewhere um we were um we were
called by our friend Roger
to oh here we
go that's Roger on the right we're
called by our friend uh Roger who used
to be the communications director at
SpaceX um to see if we wanted to be part
of a two we
immersive Astronaut
training and he couldn't even get
through the sentence before we said
absolutely yes he's like but it's during
Thanksgiving I'm like no no we we can do
it and uh yes so we jumped on this
opportunity because we'd been going to
different uh facilities like we went to
high seas in Hawaii which is another AST
another uh Mars simulation facility we
tried to go there and at least check the
place out and we somehow were're able to
get in touch with the program director
and they said absolutely not there was
this whole thing like wasn't just about
us being there was also that there was a
live volcano right next to it um it was
in
monoa um like actually on the volcano so
we were like fooy drats foiled again and
we just waited and waited and kept on
contacting different people and going to
space conferences and all that other
good stuff and eventually we got this
call from from Roger who is very very
nice and neighborly about in inviting us
to um be part of this now um one of the
reasons why I'm particularly interested
in space um speaking as an environmental
activist of sorts one uses Technologies
as a way of solving a lot of the
environmental problems that we have and
thinking about the overlap of respect
for individual Freedom while solving
these these
problems
I I thought to myself wow well if we're
trying to solve for these problems by
going to some of the most difficult
places in
nature uh we could probably do a lot
better than you know just trying to
solve for the problems here on Earth uh
Mars is an incredibly hostile
atmosphere um you might might know that
the temperatures are incredibly cold
they're they get sort of warm but it's
it's freezing cold the soils are filled
with with
perchlorates um there's incredible so uh
solar radiation so traveling from Earth
to Mars is going to be very very
difficult without frying the people that
are kind of in the ships I mean all
different types of problems but if we
can solve for these
problems while we're trying to settle uh
space we can solve for a lot of the same
types of problems on Earth especially
ones oriented around life support and
growing food in uh tightly contained
spaces using
Ingenuity uh in order to do things like
grow um you know growing spirulina in
space so that we can have nutritious
food um growing uh growing plants all
these different types of problems we can
solve for because if we are actually
facing
a terrible environmental crisis where
we're going to have drought where we're
going to have extreme temperatures a lot
of food
production um is going to have to move
indoors it might have to move
underground and we're really going to
have to use our Ingenuity very quickly
to solve for these
problems anyway so that brings us to
here oops ah yes um
um
oh I guess they're out of thing
oh my slides are out of
order sorry hold on a second
oops okay this is very very strange okay
anyway here this brings us
to uh telepathe okay so uh telepathe is
a music Pro uh project that I
do focusing on psycho Acoustics archo
Acoustics ambisonics infrasound and
ultrasound uh synthesis of all different
types uh using sensor triggers and all
other kinds of fun stuff like I do a lot
of stuff with brain computer interface
and
electromyography and I use open source
programs in between like pure data to
get things to like get impulses
to make other things do other things um
so I have a lot of fun with that and so
I usually travel around with my old
school synthesizer here this is a
synthesizer from maybe 20 years ago
called a no Novation Ultra NOA and I
really love this thing even though it's
big and clunky but the reason why I love
it is that it's easy to repair um it
does break a lot but I like the fact
that I can unscrew the back and resolder
everything thing and everything's in one
place rather than a glued down board and
I think many of you guys can relate to
that kind of Joy fixing things anyway
here it is the the clunk the clunker oh
wait let me stop that okay um okay
so
um yeah so the telepath etique project
it fits into the realm of another art
project I do called Groucho
which is a bicycle powered stage
performance where audience members use
brain computer interface to make 3D
printed organic vegan snacks on a bike
powered 3D food printer that I
created um yes a feature creep as a
feature yeah so um yeah so it's within
the context of that and I have a few
other projects that are kind of within
that container as well um there's one
called mandle bbot Ecotech which is a
scalable eco-friendly three-dimensional
plotter that's open source and you can
change the dimensions on it you can
print with food use it as a lab Tool uh
use it as a plast rer all different
types of things and then there's another
project called ancient scan which
somehow ties into um ties into telepath
atique as well um where I do
three-dimensional scanning of AR of of
archaeology sites and I also do um
ambisonic recording and all that other F
fun
stuff uh okay so here we go
anyway yes here's the Mars desert
research station okay so here's back to
Roger Gilbertson okay sorry I messed up
all the order of everything but that's
okay anyway here we are Mars societ
so at this facility um there's a really
strong emphasis on both science and
research and there are opportunities for
Mission Crews to explore the area of the
base during Evas or extrav vehicular
activities it's basically a fancy term
for going outside in a space suit um or
a simulation
suit and uh let's see and while we're
going on Evas we're simulating the
difficulty of carrying life support
systems on our
backs and while we're there we also
encourage to eat the foods that
astronauts would eat on missions and Liz
and I brought our own supply of vegan
nutritionally dense superfoods to share
with the crew um we ended up being the
only people really eating them because
everyone was like what is this stuff so
anyway there was enough of we brought
enough for everyone to eat and stay in a
good mood
um and uh one of the things about the
station while we're there is that we
were given a very small supply of water
so that's 550 gallons or 281 lers and
that was supposed to last the entire 2E
mission for six people which would
include drinking uh cooking showers
washing up using uh water to
reconstitute Clay things like
that um and
and okay
cool uh so yeah for my mission I chose
to focus on three different things over
the course of this two week long
immersion one was lighter scanning of
the base and the surrounding geology
while on an
Eva two was 3D printing of useful
objects for the base using the clay
gathered during the Evas on the mbot
surfa 2 and finally composing a
telepathe set of original music to be
played during an Eva that would simulate
the acoustic properties of
Mars
so the idea of having an opportunity to
play music as if it was on Mars during a
Mars simulation that sounded like it
would be played on Mars sounded pretty
amazing so I wanted to figure out how to
actually do
it so the first step was to look at the
research that had been done in terms of
understanding the acoustic properties of
Mars and they were published in this
paper you can see nature and what we
learned is that the acoustic impedance
of the Martian atmosphere results in
about 20 DB weaker sounds on Mars than
on Earth if produced by the same source
so that means that the sound is lower
that should be negative 20 DB but anyway
the acoustic attenuation range on Mars
was discovered to be roughly between 20
Herz to 20 khz so that's I guess in the
normal hearing range but what was very
interesting is that the drop off started
around 240 Herz and then attenuated down
to around 5 khz so what that really
meant is that the only sounds that were
really audible were ones that were more
more so in the base frequency and so a
lot of the higher sounds that we
normally hear are gone you know we can't
really hear it and this is because um
because we're in a well there on Mars
we're in a mostly carbon dioxide
atmosphere so it's like 97% some uh
readings said
95% uh so just decided to stick 97%
there and also the the atmosphere is
lower in terms of air pressure than on
Earth so it's um 10 and what roughly 170
times less dense of an atmosphere on
Mars that on
Earth and we also have uh let's see also
one of the other interesting anomalies
is that sound travels at 240
m/s um until it reaches this kind of
attenuation range of like 240 to 5 khz
and then it and then the higher pitch
sounds start increasing in speed which
is an interesting uh an interesting
feature and the way that it was
discovered um is that we were listening
to the we're listening to the sounds of
lasers zapping rocks and we're also
listening to the
motors on the Ingenuity uh copter so I'm
going to go into how we listen to sound
and all this other stuff um in a moment
anyway I wanted to figure out how to do
this so I searched for some git repos of
open source audio filters that could be
used um and I W up finding this thing I
was actually shown this thing by two
different friends one was my friend John
Carr who works at jet propulsion
Laboratories and Ugo saier who's the
filmmaker who's my uh crewmate and
friend so uh this is a project called
Sonona not by Jen Cutler and stefana uh
fatila and they made these open source
bsts u based upon the um based upon the
different atmospheres of the eight
planets or nine if you're old school
anyway there are actually eight eight
planets here so anyway
um
now was I just going to
accept a bunch of vsts that were found
on a git
repo yes
no no um I was not going to be a script
Kitty with this I was going
to uh figure this out so I wanted to do
this the the difficult way because I
wanted to learn something and I just
want to encourage everyone here to do
things the difficult way the easy way is
often to copy what other people done
which can be great sometimes because it
just works however if the goal is to
learn something it's really important to
try to do the heavy lifting and the
research and to give it One's best try
and not be afraid to epically fail
because an epic failure there are
sometimes unexpected discoveries and a
better understanding and most
importantly internalized lessons and
most of the time the best
laughs also it's really important to
talk to multiple Sensei friends so
Master friends who spend a decent amount
of their time time in their lives
becoming experts in their fields in
order to think about how to approach
problems and so this is a reminder to
avoid being too proud or or too shy or
afraid to ask others who've already done
the hard work and deep research and put
their hearts into becoming experts in
their field to ask them
questions and one thing also is that I
just wanted to remind you that a true
master of their craft shares their
knowledge free uh
freely okay so anyway a decision was
made was I going to take the difficult
route and learn something or or the easy
route had to chose the difficult route
okay so zipping over to reverb now
Reverb is what happens when a sound
persists after an original sound has
been
produced sound is reflected off of
multiple surfaces and sound Reflections
then build up and reach one's ears after
the additional sound was emitted so the
echo that we're hearing in the room
that's that's an example of
Reverb
and in my work that I do with um with
ancient scan and a few other things is I
try to create recreate reverbs that are
in different spaces and the way that I
do this is by using impulse responses so
I'll clap and I'll record that
clap or I'll do a sign sweep which is
where you um where you take a low
frequency go all the way to a high a
high frequency and you record that and
you can uh Place microphones around the
room in order to
um see the
response It's always important to let it
run out by the way when you're doing
convolution
reverbs okay so um
yeah I'm running out of time so I'm
going to skip through some of this okay
oops so anyway this is the wizard uh
John KN mad respect for this absolute
wizard see it says wizard um so uh he's
taught me a tremendous amount in terms
of audio engineering over the years and
we decided to attack attack this problem
ahead on and create our own Reverb
filter our own EQ for uh Mars based upon
the data that was found in the uh the uh
the document that I showed a little bit
earlier so here we go and we also went
to um the Mars website now they have
this uh sorry NASA has this Mars website
where you can record sound and then it
goes through a similar kind of EQ filter
where it will attenuate the sound so you
can just hear how muffled it is so if
you want to check that out you can you
can do that but what we did first is
we oops we ran an EQ um we ran an EQ
against that and then compared it to
compared the sounds and ran them over
each
other and then the next thing that we
did
uh was compare it to what was in the
data here we go using EQ okay so we
double checked our work ah go back okay
anyway um would you guys like to hear
what Mars sounds
like okay let me uh Escape out of this
oops okay oof here we go this is fancy
Ableton Live
okay so let's find Earth
dry okay
so by the way I do have a concert coming
up on Friday um I can't remember the
time but come come afterwards and I'll
show you okay here
work is this not working
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okay let me arm both of
these
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oops I'll explain what's going on in a
second let me just make sure this is
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working
okay
why is this not playing a come
on okay anyway for some reason this is
being weird uh so this is kind of what
it's what the sound would sound like
um when it's
attenuated
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okay so that's um that's just the sound
direct from here I'm going to play you a
compare a comparison of some 30second
videos so you can hear this let me get
over here how much time do we have
okay and I'll be doing the full
comparison Set uh on Friday here we
go
okay here we go cool okay this
is okay so this is what it would sound
like on
the in the earth atmosphere let me move
this
work
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okay now let's open up
Mars
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okay
well that is um yeah that is what the
sound of Mars sounds like and I just
wanted to thank um oops ah I want to
thank you guys again for coming let me
hold on let me put this over here play
this okay Fiddlesticks okay I just have
to do a very quick outro and thank you
okay um yeah I wanted to thank all you
all these people for helping me to do
this John N John Carr jet propul of jet
propulsion Laboratories Carl gesy
Anthony betet Masha
mova Chris Alaska Rose Robin leapman AKA
bluman Mike Taylor John uh Jim Jim green
Ed B
Bruno um uh Carl kefir Adolf Alexander
Jason sorz Jake Clark and the Mars
desert research station 286 crew Liz
Cole Roger Gilbertson Ugo s
gam gigo Sergey laimo Ben Stanley Donald
jacqu Shannon rert Michael SS James
Burke uh Robert zubrin the Mars society
and of course I wanted to thank my um my
dad who just passed away a few months
ago my mom Janice my brother Jeff and my
sister Lisa um and my brother-in-law
Jonathan for being so supportive through
all this this has been a crazy adventure
over the past few months and I'm very uh
proud to have shared the results of um
this kind of work that's D driven me
kind of insane so yeah I wanted to thank
you all for coming and uh yeah do you
guys have any
questions thank you for the talk thank
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you oh wait I almost forgot this is this
is the uh this is actually um my uh
flight suit
um much better than mine thanks cool
okay he has any questions yeah let's see
so the mics are two one three and four
okay yeah let's go with one pick them
yeah yes
hi
hello hi so apparently the concert is at
5: on Friday thank you in the
lounge uh check the schedule looking
forward to it what's the Lighty poo oh
Li that's really fun um that's just so I
I name all of my uh devices I have just
names that I I put sticker stickers on
so when I'm asking my friends uh
to um to grab a a device for me so I'll
just create like weird names uh I highly
recommend people do this um for example
this is a zipple Whipple this is my
power supply and
also Liberty
jibbit um yeah I have a bunch other
really stupid names any other questions
on three let's see you're expected a
good
answer uh yeah hi uh thank you so much
for your talk
um I uh wanted to ask this touches you
only Tang tangan but
um what effect does this have like on V
voices like as well uh vo vocals and
singing uh as well as like regular
communication that's an absolutely
fantastic and important question so uh
the effect that it has is that it
attenuates the high the higher sounds so
it's actually it would be really hard to
hear somebody screaming so for example
if you're if you were uh if you were
losing the pressure in your in your suit
and you're dying and you're screaming it
would be very hard to hear you or if
there were alarms uh for a vehicle
moving forward or backwards it'd be hard
to
hear um high-pitch sound so we're going
to have to figure out what uh what to
use in terms of the sound range we'll
probably have to use base frequencies
and also base frequencies that aren't
going to blow people's ears out um but
these are important important things
yeah um yeah thank you very much you're
welcome any other questions
yes hey there thank you for the
presentation um
so I think about a year ago there was
some study released I I forget who
released it maybe NASA or J JPL they the
study included a sample audio of what
sound could sound like on the surface of
Mars yes so um just to clarify like the
way that you're playing the music is
that something are you
simulating how it would
sound like if you played it literally on
the surface of Mars because yes that
sample I recall was just a lot of like
you mentioned bass it was just like a
lot
of I don't know like bouncing bass right
that it's just the Ambient sound on Mars
um so if you were to take that
instrument and play it on the surface of
Mars would it sound just like that
exactly it would sound it would sound
just like that so what we did was we we
used the we used the comparison U that
was found from the sound of laser of a
laser zapping a rock and the the whoo of
the the whoo and the motor you take that
comparison and you you do a um you do a
convolution Reverb on that so you can
you can create those comparisons and see
you know and see that um so yeah that is
according to the according to the um to
the document that NASA published in
journal Nature um that references that
this is how it would sound so we basic
we used the reference of their of that
website that you were talking about um
and then we checked it against against
their own documents so we double checked
our work on four yeah uh this is M hi
maybe more of a thought experiment but
how would different instruments and like
the way that they produced sound affect
the sound that happens in the end like
now you have a digital recording and
then you're editing that but if yeah
like yeah different if it's a flute or
if it's a guitar or something like the
way that the sound is produced would
that also change depending on the
different atmospheres how would that
like sound the that's a great question
the the higher fre the higher
frequencies would move faster but you
wouldn't really hear them um the lower
frequency
like the lower the sound on the
frequency range um you would hear that
better so for a flute you would like if
you if you had a base you a base flute
you'd more more likely hear the sounds
than than an alto than an alto flute um
if you had a tuba you'd probably hear
that pretty well however if you're you
know playing Bells you probably wouldn't
hear that so well depending on the on
the frequency yeah okay all right Mike
three any other questions
hi yes um I found it very interesting
that um speed of sound is different for
different frequencies so is this CA of
the different pressure or is more the
composition of the atmosphere which has
this effect it's more of a feature of
the carbon dioxide like when you when
you play uh when you play audio into
carbon dioxide uh G like if if you have
a chamber um you can predict that the
sound will move will move more more
quickly and that was tested on the it
was tested in the atmosphere one thing
that was interesting though um that they
discovered is that sound traveled
further than they anticipated it would
so they could hear that that was that
was I I don't remember what the exact
figures are but it's it's in their um
it's in the paper oh okay
one hi I would like to hear about your
assumptions regarding a speaker on Earth
while having our atmosphere the speaker
is moving some uh molecules of air and
the speaker and mouse should be somewhat
different if you mean the a speaker
should be designed differently or that
would behave differently that's a
question that's a qu okay um so it would
be the same so it's the same speaker
like how it would sound because um what
we're really listening to is how is how
sound travels so basically you have
electric going into a electricity going
into a coil and then it's causing a um a
diaphragm to to vibrate and from that
point on uh how the composition is of
that of that atmosphere will determine
how that sound travels so you could have
the same exact speaker and the same
distance between the per between the
listener and the and the source but it
would sound it would sound different
because of the composition because of
the pressure and also the temperature um
the temperature difference which is a
around negative the range is around -250
fenit to 70° Fen uh yeah I can take only
one last question and it will be on four
I'm sorry
yeah four you okay hello
um first of all let me start start with
thank you for mentioning all the people
involved to this project that was really
Charming um my question might be a bit
of an antithetical one because I was
wondering you flashed a slide that
showed a group of people might I
ask who are those people the group of
people yeah oh the group of oh I could I
could show that again so that um that
group of people was from uh Sant I was
trying to get that on the screen so in
2009 um that was my first uh
CCC event that I presented it it was the
I presented a thing called scientists
are the new rock stars and it was the
very beginning of when I started delving
into presenting SC science art in the
world and like this kind of like
contestation media art um so they gave
me the platform to be able to do this
presentation in in col and um and the
reason why I showed that is that it's I
came full circle so some of the people
in there is johanes
gner um of monocom and there's uh Nick
far and asra
snice and who else uh I'm trying to
remember I guess I'm in that but there
was just just this funny moment at the
very at the very end of the of the
conference where Nick was laying on the
ground as and everyone was jumping over
him and it was just just this just this
ridiculous silly moment and uh I spent a
couple of hours trying to find that
photo in my archives and I literally
just found that photo a few hours ago
and I was like oh I finally found it
yeah okay thank you that's lovely okay
thank you so much thank you so much
everyone I'll see you on
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Friday
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